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...at this point it is still a rumor but kinda curious to gauge the existing GT350 owners on their desire upgrade if this rumor becomes reality. Partly because maybe i should wait to buy a used GT350 after the GT500 launches production. Or maybe I wait and just buy the 500 :)

And just thought I'd open it up for discussion.

Thanks guys-

2018 Ford Mustang Shelby GT500 Spy Photos ? News ? Car and Driver
 

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What I would be curious is what did ford do to beef up the motor's internals to take that type of
stress

Supposedly the GT350 motor according to Ford doesnt work well with boost

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Just my opinion but I think the GT500 won't appear until 2019 and it's going to be a different motor from the 350. BTW, At this point I'm definitely going to try to buy but I'll be keeping the 350.
 

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In reading the comments in the included link one commentor seems to know for sure... "It will, 100%, have a 685-715 hp Supercharged 5.0 V8"
 

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My o my, what an opportunity for outrageous ADM's... :)
 

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I have owned many fast cars....Shelby Roadster....Shelby GT 350 '66........Porsche 911 GTS.....and now the GT 350. I have been sort of a straight liners most of the time...exception the GTS. this car is one of the most fun
I have driven....just gets up in RPMs and won't stop. THe GT 500 will be a straight line beast for sure, but doubt is will track as well as the 350.
IMHO. Sort of like the Hellcat with 750 hp. But, I could be mistaken.
 

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Some points.

1) I'll wait until Ford actually releases the car. The rest is speculation and for the life of me, I don't know why "we" play this game with the manufacturers about what's coming out. I guess its to protect sales of existing inventory on the lots.

2) Just about any modern engine can handle boost. Certainly moderate boost with a fat tune (which is exactly what the manufacturer always does). They may upgrade internals just as insurance, or if they want to go smaller displacement and still big power, but the voodoo engine can handle MODERATE boost with good tuning. The reason our cars aren't all that great for boosting is the factory compression ratio, which is high for N/A output. That's solved easily enough with dished pistons and or hogged out combustion chambers on the heads (to save retooling for Ford).

3) If Ford wants to make a fight of the competition in the Hellcat segment, I suspect it won't be the voodoo engine. The Hellcat isn't a track car, it's a muscle car. I could see them twin turboing a coyote or the "aluminator" and put out North of 700 ponies, but I'm willing to be if they do that, it'll be a muscle car and not a track car. It'll assuredly have a single rear "live" axle.

The only way Ford could offer a 700+ car with warranty straight from the factory is to spend more and beef up the rear, transmission, clutch, etc. I'd be less concerned about the small block internals and more worried about other failure points of the vehicle (which is certainly what Ford bean counters will do). It's a delicate dance between performance, reliability and cost.

"You can have it cheap, you can have it fast, you can have it reliable. Just pick any two."
 

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I am being told Ford has been testing a 5.0 with a Supercharger at the their Proving Grounds lately.
This has always made more sense for a muscle car. Low end torque. Turbos have come a LONG way in terms of turbo lag and of course twinning is infinitely better than single, but if they want to actually compete with the Hellcat, a twin screw makes more sense.
 

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Count Me Out

In reading the comments in the included link one commentor seems to know for sure... "It will, 100%, have a 685-715 hp Supercharged 5.0 V8"
I am not interested in a GT500. My interests have always leaned towards high speed autox (not the parking lot "sea of cones kind) like the one my old Corvette Club ran on an old banked NASCAR track about 12-14 Sundays a year. Or club events at road courses - exactly what the original and current GT350 was made for.

With a little bit of "sharpening" I can see my car being even more formidable on those types of venues. These will be changes on the edges, nothing to fundamentally change what the car is. A bit more power (480 or so at the rear wheels including a bit more lower RPM torque and h/p) and about 200 lbs less weight should meet my goals. Not thrilled that the stock GT350 aluminum wheels are said to weigh in at 31 lbs, considerably more than they should have weighed but probably done for reasons of cost, and exacerbating the delta between them and the R's carbon fiber wheels - perhaps it was purposeful.

As for adding turbos or superchargers to the Voodoo, I was told by folks who had this conversation with the Ford engineers associated with this engine and were told "just don't do it." Evidently they broke a lot of engines doing this during some durability testing exercises. And why, would you buy a beautifully balanced road oriented car to screw it up by adding so much extra weight on the front end?


Wait for the GT500 (if there is one) or buy something else if you want a boosted front heavy straight line specialist and you are one of the "fast and furious" who signed up to the "I live my Life a quarter of a mile at a time."
 

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"the GT500 (if there is one)"

There will be one. A 2019 model coming out late 2018 calendar year. I would guess we might see it at Detroit Auto show in January.
 

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A Turbo would make more sense due to all of Fords work with Eco-boost motors. Even the Raptors are getting high HP V-6 Turbo (for stupid money $$$). I think they can get closer to emissions with the use of a Turbo too.
 

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A Turbo would make more sense due to all of Fords work with Eco-boost motors. Even the Raptors are getting high HP V-6 Turbo (for stupid money $$$). I think they can get closer to emissions with the use of a Turbo too.
Most boosted cars that are meant to also participate road racing type of events will have turbos, not superchargers. Superchargers are best for the street or 1/4 mile. The latest Z06 is supercharged and it has earned its reputation for rapidly overheating at road track events. The new ZL1 Camaro is literally festooned all over with coolers to deal with this problem, is hundreds of lbs heavier than our cars, and I am told, still has occasional problems - though not at the Z06 level. You do not see Porsches, Ferraris, Mercedes high performance cars running superchargers. My 2016 Audi SQ5 has a supercharger which is fine for the street and it is a crossover - even the new '18 replacement SQ5 now has turbos.
 
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