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I replaced the stock clutch helper spring today with a lighter version from Steeda (for about $15). I did it in an attempt to improve the feel of the clutch and make the car smoother to drive. I'm new to Mustangs, and didn't understand the helper spring until I dug into some tech related websites. As I understand the issue, the helper spring makes the clutch pedal easier to depress and hold, but not throughout the entire pedal stroke. It begins helping at about the halfway point, making the pedal easier to hold to the floor. That's a great idea, and comes in handy in stop and go traffic. The downside (from my point of view) is that the clutch resistance isn't consistent as the pedal is released. As I release the clutch, the plates begin to 'bite' at about the halfway point, which is the same point that the helper spring stops helping, making the pedal much firmer at the same time the car is beginning to move. It's not a 'big deal', but I've stalled the car a couple times when I wasn't careful and let the clutch out just a little too far. I installed the Steeda spring because it's much lighter, and therefore doesn't 'help' nearly as much. The downside is that the pedal is stiffer when you hold it to the floor, as well as when you first start to release it, but that stiffness is now consistent through the entire stroke. It took about 10 minutes to get used to, but I personally like the new feel and am willing to trade the 'help' for a clutch that doesn't go from hard to easy, or easy to hard, as I press and release it. Also, our helper spring is different from those in the GT models. If you look on YouTube you'll see several videos about how to replace the GT model, but nothing for the Shelbys. GT's have only one spring, while Shelbys have two, along with a 'middle' spring perch. The Shelby main spring is shorter than the GT and seats against the middle perch, while a second small diameter spring seats against the lower retainer. I was able to remove and replace the two OEM springs (along with the middle retainer) with the new Steeda spring, without tools, in about 5 minutes, and most of that time was spent working my body under the dash so I could see the thing. The only 'tip' I can offer is that it's easier to do if you seat the upper spring perch first, and then compress the spring by hand until the lower retainer snaps into the bottom perch. Anyone else tried this?

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Folks,

I replaced the stock clutch helper spring today with a lighter version from Steeda (for about $15). I did it in an attempt to improve the feel of the clutch and make the car smoother to drive. I'm new to Mustangs, and didn't understand the helper spring until I dug into some tech related websites. As I understand the issue, the helper spring makes the clutch pedal easier to depress and hold, but not throughout the entire pedal stroke. It begins helping at about the halfway point, making the pedal easier to hold to the floor. That's a great idea, and comes in handy in stop and go traffic. The downside (from my point of view) is that the clutch resistance isn't consistent as the pedal is released. As I release the clutch, the plates begin to 'bite' at about the halfway point, which is the same point that the helper spring stops helping, making the pedal much firmer at the same time the car is beginning to move. It's not a 'big deal', but I've stalled the car a couple times when I wasn't careful and let the clutch out just a little too far. I installed the Steeda spring because it's much lighter, and therefore doesn't 'help' nearly as much. The downside is that the pedal is stiffer when you hold it to the floor, as well as when you first start to release it, but that stiffness is now consistent through the entire stroke. It took about 10 minutes to get used to, but I personally like the new feel and am willing to trade the 'help' for a clutch that doesn't go from hard to easy, or easy to hard, as I press and release it. Also, our helper spring is different from those in the GT models. If you look on YouTube you'll see several videos about how to replace the GT model, but nothing for the Shelbys. GT's have only one spring, while Shelbys have two, along with a 'middle' spring perch. The Shelby main spring is shorter than the GT and seats against the middle perch, while a second small diameter spring seats against the lower retainer. I was able to remove and replace the two OEM springs (along with the middle retainer) with the new Steeda spring, without tools, in about 5 minutes, and most of that time was spent working my body under the dash so I could see the thing. The only 'tip' I can offer is that it's easier to do if you seat the upper spring perch first, and then compress the spring by hand until the lower retainer snaps into the bottom perch. Anyone else tried this?

Hawkeye
Yes, I've been using the Steeda spring since delivery. Like the more linear feel to the clutch. Tried running with any spring but had too much play at the top. Enjoy!!!
 

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I have been following the threads regarding removing or replacing the clutch assist spring. I have been driving a 2009 ShelbyGT500 on the track for the last 6 years. My first drive in my GT350 was a real pleasure as the clutch was so much easier than the GT500. I paid particular attention driving home this morning and found the clutch comfortable to use. Such an improvement over the GT500. What I do find that I have a problem with is heel toe as the brakes are so sensitive. First time I tried it, thought I would end up on my nose. Have some practice to do.

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I have been following the threads regarding removing or replacing the clutch assist spring. I have been driving a 2009 ShelbyGT500 on the track for the last 6 years. My first drive in my GT350 was a real pleasure as the clutch was so much easier than the GT500. I paid particular attention driving home this morning and found the clutch comfortable to use. Such an improvement over the GT500. What I do find that I have a problem with is heel toe as the brakes are so sensitive. First time I tried it, thought I would end up on my nose. Have some practice to do.

Mike
Try either racing pedals or spacers to improve your heel to toe...
 

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Thanks Tankman, do you have any recommendations for racing pedals. My biggest problem with the heel toe was the sensitivity of the brakes. On my GT 500 (with the big brake kit and Hawk track pads), I don't have the issue. Almost seems as if the boost for the brakes is too much. I will continue to work on the problem which I have identified as ME

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Also bought and installed the Steeda spring. Directions say nothing about removing the spacer and second spring but, I did because I couldn't get all that together back in place. I think they just left out the removal of the spacer and second spring or the directions are for a GT mustang.
 

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Thanks Tankman, do you have any recommendations for racing pedals. My biggest problem with the heel toe was the sensitivity of the brakes. On my GT 500 (with the big brake kit and Hawk track pads), I don't have the issue. Almost seems as if the boost for the brakes is too much. I will continue to work on the problem which I have identified as ME

Mike
The Brembos are MONSTER brakes. They haul it down like no other Mustang before. Having said that, I believe you have correctly identified the problem variable. I was also the problem but learned to adapt. If you get to GT350 track attack, the guys do a decent job re: heel and toe.
 

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Thanks Boss Doc, I will continue to try to improve my heel toe with the GT350. Hopefully I can improve before I go to Track Attack the first week in Oct. Next weekend I have an event at Summit Point but won't be using the GT350 but will still be in the GT 500 (I am completing my instructors course for HPDE events and don't want to be learning a new car in the middle of that process.).. I am sure I will adapt but I can't jump from one car to another--they just aren't the same

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I also put in the steda spring in my 16 tech but now my pedal sticks to the floor at higher rpm shifts and that is not a good feeling. i put in the original back in and ill test drive it in the morning
 

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I picked up my 2016 Tech pack yesterday. What a car! I was reading this thread re: the Steeda spring but I have no problems with the clutch. It's a lot easier to shift than my '98 GT and all of my previous Honda's.. I almost bounced my head off the steering wheel though the first time I use the brakes. They really just need to be breathed on with the big toe.. :)
 

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I also put in the steda spring in my 16 tech but now my pedal sticks to the floor at higher rpm shifts and that is not a good feeling. i put in the original back in and ill test drive it in the morning
Try it with no spring before you make a final decision. I pulled the spring from my clutch pedal the first week, I now have almost 10K miles on the car. I have no play at the top and the clutch is perfect.
 

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I put the original back in the small amount of play at the top was too much for me. on a side note no more sticking pedal
 

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Thanks Tankman, do you have any recommendations for racing pedals. My biggest problem with the heel toe was the sensitivity of the brakes. On my GT 500 (with the big brake kit and Hawk track pads), I don't have the issue. Almost seems as if the boost for the brakes is too much. I will continue to work on the problem which I have identified as ME

Mike
Hey Mike,
Sorry to leave you hanging- Sullivan has racing pedals and spacers that I hear can help tremendously with heel/toe. Did you make it to the Track Attack?
http://www.srpracing.com/default.cfm
 

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Tankman,
Thanks for the info on the pedals. May have to use them on all my cars.
Yes, I did make it to Track Attack Oct 3, 4. Spent the second day in the Boss 302. Instructors were good and very approachable. Facilities were outstanding. I am ready to go again especially now that my other track sessions are over until the spring. In fact, the group was talking about March already. I am a track whore
 

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Tankman,
Thanks for the info on the pedals. May have to use them on all my cars.
Yes, I did make it to Track Attack Oct 3, 4. Spent the second day in the Boss 302. Instructors were good and very approachable. Facilities were outstanding. I am ready to go again especially now that my other track sessions are over until the spring. In fact, the group was talking about March already. I am a track whore
Excellent! I went for the one day on 10/23. Agree with you on the facilities, instructors and the operation in its entirety. I've been advocating for "Alumni" days!! Good luck w your pedals!!
 

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Tankman, I ordered a set of pedals for my GT500 today Will see how I like them on that since that is my primary track car before I put them on the Gt350 Happy Thanksgiving

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Garageline Pedal Mount

Trying to get traction on this! Tell your friends and enemies!!

Also, you might want to check these guys out for pedal spacers too:
https://www.garageline.com/

Saw your link to this part, looks simple. Any idea on mounting instructions for GT350, drilling or mods required? Like this better than full pedal options since not sure which size fits best and drilling required. Great option!

Haven't done Track Attack yet, waiting for 2017 schedule and reservations to open. Will jump in for Extra Sessions after getting my first one done. Hope to get the Boss 2nd Day option. Have done Motorcycle track days, Bondurant & Skip Barber Track training in formula cars, but no car open track days.

Good info, THANKS!

My Bucket List Car:
2016 White/Blue Track Pack, built 6-1-16 G5556
--Ralph, Phoenix area
 

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rfrum,

Your experience on the track should be helpful to you. Make sure you schedule way in advance as the Boss 302's go fast. The one thing you probably have learned or at least heard many times on the track, is keep your eyes up. Even whey you can't see the apex or exit, you will know where it is and look there. It will make your cornering a lot smoother. Unless you are proficient at heel toe, grab third gear and us your mental band width for conquering the track. Add the heel toe and second gear when you can best add it. Whenever I am learning a new track, I am in one gear only for half a day or so. Also, use all of the track, you paid for it use it. Good luck and you will have a blast--just not enough track time--but then again is there ever?

Mike
 
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